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SPACE Digest                                     Volume 13 : Issue 788

Today's Topics:
        Potential Geomagnetic Storm Warning - 24 June
               USF Reply to Nick Janow
         Program for experimental evaluation
              Re: Fred's Operatic Death
             Re: Mining El Dorado
    Re: talk.politics.space (was Re: sci.space.moderated)
           Payload Summary for 06/24/91 (Forwarded)

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Date: Sun, 23 Jun 91 20:04:46 MDT
From: oler <@BITNET.CC.CMU.EDU:[e-mail]> (CARY OLER)
Subject: Potential Geomagnetic Storm Warning - 24 June
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                      POTENTIAL GEOMAGNETIC STORM WARNING

                               02:00 UT, 24 JUNE

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ATTENTION:

     Geomagnetic activity has intensified over the last 6 to 12 hours.
Generally active to minor storm conditions have materialized.  At the present
time, activity is running just below the minor storm thresholds.  A minor
geomagnetic storm may materialize if activity continues to intensify or
remains at current levels.  No significant storming is expected.

     Auroral activity could become generally moderate to high over the higher
latitudes during the local evening hours of 23/24 June.  Periods of moderate
activity may be observed over the northerly middle latitudes.  No significant
auroral storming is expected.  Activity will not be visible over the lower
latitudes.  Lunar phase will inhibit attempts to view activity.

     HF propagation conditions are not expected to be seriously affected by
this recent intensification in geomagnetic and auroral activity.  High
latitudes will suffer the most pronounced degradations of increased auroral
flutter, fading and distortion.  Most middle and low latitude regions should
maintain generally good propagation conditions, with minor amounts of
increased flutter and fading over the middle latitudes during the local
evening and early morning hours of 23/24 June.

     There is an increased chance for isolated VHF backscatter over the
higher latitude regions for the UT day of 24 June.  At the moment, conditions
are not particularly favorable.  However, if activity intensifies, localized
areas of backscatter may become possible over the higher latitudes.  No
significant or widespread backscatter opportunities are anticipated.  This
activity is expected to begin to subside later in the UT day of 24 June or on
25 June.


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Date: 23 Jun 91 03:47:51 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!rsoft!mindlink![e-mail]  (Nick Janow)
Subject: USF Reply to Nick Janow

> [e-mail] writes:
>
> To: [e-mail]
>
> X-News: vax5 sci.space:8876
>
> USF Reply to posting by Nick Janow, see Copy Right Statement for reproduction
> of this statement.  USF/HQ/USA  6/23/91
>
> >From: [e-mail] (Nick Janow)
> >Subject:Re: USF International Space Agency
> >Date: 21 Jun 91 21:55:59 GMT
> >Message-ID:<[e-mail]>
>
> >I think that a private organization dedicated to presenting a project (Mars
> >Mission, Robotic Lunar Mining, Solar Sail to an Asteroid, whatever) could be
> >worthwhile.  It could provide its supporters with a focal point and support
> >services.  Whether or not the project gets government funding depends on the
> >value of the project's goals and on how well it gets presented.
>
> USF Reply!:  Yes and I agree with you! BUT! These types of projects are very
>              costly and in many cases the projects span time frames of many
>              years before they are completed!  It will be very important to
>              the future of space developement that the already established
>              space infrastructures and facilities around the world be focused
>              in a coodernated effort and at least in a common directon if
>              space developement is to ever really be economical or in any
>              practicle sence feasible! ( and wether you like this or not
>              that means govenment involvement!! ie NASA,NASDA,ESA,ISA,ISRO,
>              Russian Space Agency,Ect,Ect... )  If the big boys can focus
>              and coorinate there efforts through an intenetional space
>              adminastration it will mean that the little guys and private
>              ventures can piggy back on this newly devoped international
>              space infrastucture. In this way both big government and small
>              privaters can benefit where in the past no one could benefit!
>
>
> >
> >The USF sounds more like: "Give us total control over space development and
> >we'll work on projects we decide are best.  ...Trust us!"
>
>
> USF Reply!:  This is untrue, completely!  The USF if and when it reaches its
>              goal of setting up an International Space Agency will be the
>              one controlled and not the the one controlling!  This
>              international space agency would simply be a focus and
>              coordinating organization and the projects, budgets, agreements
>              and other considerations would be created by industry,scientific
>              community,academia, and government through a established debate
>              and approval process.  Only when this has been accomplished can
>              this international space agency undertake these projects! Even
>              then it would only manage and complete the projects as was
>              approved and would be the management team which locks the
>              efforts of all parties involved in these projects both private
>              and government and keeps things organized and on schedual. So
>              as you can see the USF would have very little control!
>              Trust Us! :-) :-)
>              P.S.  Read up on the European Space Agency (ESA) and you will
>              get a good idea of how this international space agency would
>              be set up and operated as ESA is a mini model of basicaly how
>              the USF will be set up!
>                                             Rick at USF/HQ/USA  6/23/91
>                                             Copy Right 1991 c. USF,Inc.
>                                             All Rights Reserved
>                                             Reproduction or posting of this
>                                             reply may only be done in its
>                                             intirerty and any other form of
>                                             reproduction is hereby
> restricted.
> >--
> >
> >[e-mail]
>
> USF Reply!  Nick I encourage you to post this reply! I doubt you will though
> as it will not aid your hate campain agaist the USF and its efforts. :-)
>                                               Cheers Mate!
>                                               Rick at USF/HQ/USA
>

Hate campaign?  You flatter yourself.  I've sent you my opinions of your
postings, which I view as empty and immature, via e-mail (which hardly counts
as a hate campaign).  My public posting regarding your organization is a
personal view of large central control vs private initiatives.  I have little
faith that your proposed organization would turn out as the shiny, wonderful
image you seem to project for it.  I feel it would most likely be a bloated
bureaucracy, run by self-serving bureaucrats and controlled by forces (internal
or external) which have other goals than "the glory and romance of space" in
mind.

You have posted only the ideal vision of your proposed organization, apparently
in the hope of enticing the shallow-minded idealists.  I have yet to see you
post anything of any real substance.  If you can't produce anything of
substance in over a year of work, I don't have much support--or sympathy--for
you.

I probably shouldn't be posting this harsh critique publicly.  You seem to
welcome such responses, so that you can play on the sympathies of others by
presenting yourself as "the poor wounded soldier, fighting for truth,
justice... with all the bullies against you."  It also gives you a chance to
discredit valid complaints about improprieties, such as using the names of
people and organizations without their consent (as other people have posted,
now and a year ago).

You've also tossed your "writing disabilities" excuse at every opportunity,
again, apparently to garner sympathy.  Your spelling, grammar and sentence
structure isn't a problem for me; it's the substance--or lack of it--that I
find fault with, and I don't think you can blame that on a disability.

This critique is harsher than I usually post, but I think it's valid.  It is
not a hate campaign, with the intent of discrediting a valid proposal.  If the
criticism is false, then you should welcome the opportunity to counter it.  If
all you can do is whine about the bullies, you deserve the criticism.

ps.  If you feel that you aren't able to present your facts properly, get
someone else to do it.  You've been at this for over a year.  If expect to
convince large numbers of experts to join your organization in order to set it
up by 1993, you must by now have some experts to help you present the facts.
Besides, the facts you would need to sell your proposal should be able to speak
for themselves.
--

[e-mail]

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Date: 23 Jun 91 20:43:48 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!ira.uka.de!math.fu-berlin.de!fub!tmpmbx!zelator!krypta![e-mail]  (A.Gougousoudis)
Subject: Program for experimental evaluation


Hello,

I am still searching for a programm, running under MSDOS, which is able to
plot measurements of an experiment in a X-Y-Diagram. It should also include
some mathematical methods of extrapolation and analysis of the resulting
graph. The software MUST run with CGA (Laptop-use!), I hope anyone of you
can help me. If it is Public Domain or Shareware let me know, where I can
get the files. Please via Anonymous UUCP or Fido-Request. I also can send
you some diskettes an return-postage, too. If you can't avoid, FTP is
supported too (I got a friend at the German Science Net :-) ).

Thank you.

  cu Alex

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Date: 24 Jun 91 16:40:21 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!linus!linus!cyclone![e-mail]  (S. J. Okay)
Subject: Re: Fred's Operatic Death

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mary Shafer) writes:
>I wrote:
>
>>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (James Davis Nicoll) writes:
>>>>  'Do NASA employees post self-serving propaganda (also 'should NASA...')'
>>>>  argument deleted.
>>
>>>I have the damned feeling I've seen this thread before. How did the
>>>tiff that ended with Ms Shafer briefly leaving sci.space start?
>>
>>Wit Nick Szabo claiming that NASA employees should only post stuff that
>>Nick thought was OK.  That is, it was OK for the informational stuff
>>to appear, but if one disagreed with Nick .....
>
>Nick has informed me that "Public employees slandering [him] on the
>net are cruising for a bruising."
>
>It was not my intent to slander Nick and if his feelings, amour propre,
>or net reputation were damaged by my comment, I apologize and retract
>my comment.

Ahh.....here we see that wonderful American Principle of "You tick me off,
 I'm calling my lawyer"
in action again. No need to retract Mary. Just let them know everything is IMHO
and they can't touch you.

---Steve

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Date: 25 Jun 91 01:04:18 GMT
From: hub.ucsb.edu!ucsbuxa![e-mail]  (Charles Frank Radley)
Subject: Re: Mining El Dorado



Sorry you would not like to have me as a mining engineer !
I have gotten abosolutely contradicotry responses from various
epeople.   Some say that a nuke would totally destroy the asteroid.
Some say it would have absoultely no effect.
I would be curious about the real answer some day.
  Anyway.
I would like to completely retract the idea of using nukes
for mining purposes.   Several people have pointed out to me that
it would make the ore radioactive, so the materials would become
unsafe to use in manned space applications.
   Similarly, nukes should not be used within the atmosphere of
Mars since it may make that planet uninhabitable for future
colonists or explorers.

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Date: 9 Jun 91 22:54:42 GMT
From: snorkelwacker.mit.edu!paperboy!hsdndev!bbn.com!usc!aero-c![e-mail]  (Peter L. Thomas)
Subject: Re: talk.politics.space (was Re: sci.space.moderated)

While I am a firm believer in the kill-file for topics that I do not care
to peruse, and do not mind winnowing chaff among the rest of the articles
left over, it seems that we definitely have a problem with sci.space.

I would also like to see talk.politics.space, sci.space.announce, (has
anyone thought that space-tech is ready to graduate to sci.space.tech?
just a side-note), sci.space.  I'd like the UFO people to take their talk
to the appropriate alt.news.group.  :-).

I am vehemently against rampant creation of useless newsgroups, but I also
support the concept of a logical hierarchy.  It seems clear that sci.space
(how often we forget the "sci" in front) is used for much more than its
original charter.  BTW:  any archivists or pack-rats out there have a full
copy of the original sci.space charter?  It might be a good time, as we
pursue this discussion, to dust it off and take a look, again.

--Pete

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Date: 24 Jun 91 22:56:08 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!news.arc.nasa.gov![e-mail]  (Peter E. Yee)
Subject: Payload Summary for 06/24/91 (Forwarded)


                              PAYLOAD TEST AND ACTIVITY SHEET
                              KENNEDY SPACE CENTER

                              TDRS-E/IUS-15
                              STS-43/ATLANTIS

                              June 24, 1991

          George H. Diller
          407/867-2468
          FTS 823-2468

          Upcoming Activity        * denotes change since last status

          Install IUS/TDRS into Atlantis  6/26 *
          Establish payload electrical connections  6/27-6/28 *
          Interface Verication Test (IVT)  6/29 *
          End-to-End Test (ETE)  7/1
          Astronaut payload sharp edge inspection 7/2 *
          IUS Flight Readiness Checks 7/11-7/12 *
          TDRS Battery Charging 7/12-15 *
          IUS Battery Installation 7/13-7/15 *
          IUS Simulated Countdown 7/16-7/17 *
          IUS Ordnance Installation 7/18 *
          Close payload bay doors  7/21 *

          Activity Completed

          TDRS arrival at KSC  3/5
          IUS Arrival  4/26
          IUS Test Cell Installation  4/29
          TDRS removal from shipping container  4/30
          IUS/TDRS Mate  5/8
          Single Access Antenna (SAA) Inspection 5/10
          IUS checkout station testing (cos wrap test) completed 5/13
          TDRS State of Health Checks completed 5/14
          White Sands Compatability Test complete 5/15
          IUS/TDRS Electrical Mates 5/16
          Astronaut payload inspection 5/20
          Interface Verification Test (IVT) complete 5/22
          End-to-End Communications Test-Part I
          IUS Software Demonstration Load 5/29
          SAA spoke reconfiguration 5/31
          End-to End Test Communications Test-Part 2 complete 6/7
          Power-on Stray Voltage Checks 6/7
          CITE Disconnects 6/10
          IUS Ordnance Connection 6/10
          IUS/TDRS Installation into payload canister  6/14
          Move to Pad A/Install in PCR  6/17
          TDRS Aliveness Test (state of health check) 6/20
          TDRS fueling  6/22
          TDRS propellant tank pressurization completed 6/24

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